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So we lost the Internet I see...


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wow dont know how I missed this story lol.

Did all of you know this allready ? That FBI SAFETY NET they have in place for July 9th really tells me that they can control the Internet all ready. [sign in to see URL] we still had
some Freedom left.

How many more malware scares that require the FBI to use its safety net to save us ? This really scares me that they have control down to us not bieng able to log on to the Internet.

Ryverwind and all you programmers out there,
can you perhaps show me where this ability to redirect internet traffic and quarintine what they deem malicious is not actually control of our last area of Freedom ?

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I've known about this for a while... The individuals that were infected with this trojan had their DNS server settings changed to use the malware's servers. These rogue servers were able to direct infected computers to the wrong website which allowed them to steal information like login credentials, credit card info, etc. Rather than just killing the bad servers, which would make the infected computers unable to go to any website until their settings were corrected, the FBI brought up legitimate servers on the same server IP addresses.

No matter when the servers are cut off, someone is not going to be able to get to the internet anymore until they fix their computer settings.

I guess I'm just trying to make sure you understand that the FBI did not do anything to the owners computers - the cyber-criminals did, and likely stole valuable information from the owners.

There are things that the FBI and other government agencies can and probably have done that would be considered infringing on the freedom of US citizens, but this effort was really just trying to stop the bad guys.

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While I'm not condoning what the Bad Guys did,
what bothers me is that after we lost our Freedom under the Patriot Act,(I implore anyone to read what it really does,) I actually thought the Internet was our last
place for true Freedom.

They now have Legislation pending under the guise of Business information sharing to help stop big hacking on Financial Lines and want control of all utilities to protect them from Hackers.

They have huge software programs that scour the internet looking for word seguences that fit their "Terror" [sign in to see URL] includes all Blogging Sites and [sign in to see URL] Protect Us.

Did you know that under The Patriot Act ,if they think without having to prove anything to anyone that you may be a threat that they can come to your home,grab You and hood you and transport you to a undisclosed destination.

They are Not required to tell your Family or even the Cops what its [sign in to see URL] a lot more things written in there too.

We have too much Government in our affairs as it is.

Imagine a A Day [sign in to see URL] unrest over economic hardship when suddenly large areas of Water, Electricity and Internet come under [sign in to see URL] a crowd control Tactic.

All setup under the Guise of watching over us and Protecting Us.

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Skycaster wrote:
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We have too much Government in our affairs as it is.

Imagine a A Day [sign in to see URL] unrest over economic hardship when suddenly large areas of Water, Electricity and Internet come under [sign in to see URL] a crowd control Tactic.

All setup under the Guise of watching over us and Protecting Us.


Amen.

I often wonder at what our founding fathers would think about the current state of our national affairs. No doubt, they're rolling in their collective graves right about now.

I don't consider myself either Democrat or Republican, and wont comment on who makes a better Presidential candidate, etc., mainly because I don't believe it makes a whisper of difference who we place in the White House. Ultimately, whomever becomes our President is in fact just a Marionette for the Puppetmasters behind the scenes, I will state emphatically, however, That I deeply resent seeing our personal liberties and freedoms gradually being syphoned away from us all under the guise of "protecting us."

I'm glad you responded to the post with your viewpoint Berk, you're replies always give me food for thought emoticon

And while I agree that in this instance, the door in was to try to "help," there is currently some proposals pending (three in particular), which are all geared toward allowing the Feds to gain control of the Internet at any point and as they deem feet. Three. Surely, one of those is bound to pass. And while the wording in each of the three proposals is slightly different, they all have the end result/target . . . being able to totally seize control under what they deem to be "appropriate circumstances."

Winter Is Coming indeed . . .

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Google Magic Lantern.

Welcome back.

The government has been at this game for a while. Actually, the government probably now knows you Googled Magic Lantern now. (sorry) If you Googled Magic Lantern while authenticated to a Google account, that has been added to Google's database about you.

The truth is it is extremely hard to remain anonymous on the internet. In the recent takedown of Lulzsec, all it took was one event that Sabu did not use an onion router to connect to a website the FBI was monitoring for them to be able to be at his door the next day. Everyone is watching everything.

China was able to route 15% of all internet traffic to their country for 18 minutes in 2010, and nobody knows why. They could and they did.

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My viewpoint is not in support of government takeover of sites they view as "bad," but that someone made a decision to either cut off servers that will result in millions of computers from being unable to connect to the web or bring up a "clean" DNS server that will maintain their ability to visit websites. I personally would have opted to cut the servers off, and let the owners deal with the outage, because from what I understand of DNSchanger, it could have installed other malware, so losing access to the internet would have prompted the individuals to try to find out why their computer just broke.

When you realize the truth of the internet, you can either accept it or become a hermit. emoticon

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Hahahaha, Good Video! emoticon

But I don't want to be a hermit! lol

I love that you're participating in this lively discussion Berk! emoticon

And . . . we truly shouldn't have to make a choice between those two limited options, in my humble opinion.

I guess I'm just a bit of a non-comformist hippy, that envisions a world where freedom truly does ring, and where I'm not forced to choose between utilizing the positives of technology, or dwelling in a cave somewhere with nothing.

Quite honestly, having spent a good number of my years camping, hiking, fishing etc., out in nature in my 20s and 30s as a wilderness and white water rafting guide, I'm perfectly happy in nature. But the world runs on the internet now, which makes it harder than ever to just live the simple life.

Why should I (or anyone else for that matter) have to choose between those two options?

That's pretty much exactly what the world leaders want of all of us, is to just "shush" and behave, and like the old saying we all probably heard growing up, "children should be seen and not heard." There's some part of me that will quietly voice my displeasure whenever (and wherever) I feel my personal rights are being trod upon. I've seen, after all, what's happened in those countries where the people have just shrugged their shoulders and quietly shuffled away, appeased by the crumbs their government has chosen to toss their way to keep them appeased.


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I'd like to add this article to the discussion:

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(random actual quote I overheard .... "Google it on Bing so it's not recorded"

Apparently Google is now a generic verb like Qtips or Bandaids are generic nouns.

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