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Re: Gran Turismo! Gran Turismo!! Gran Turismo!!!
Replying to Prof's comment on steering wheels.
The reason we didn't like using our steering wheel with GT is, well, the game's too good for it. I really don't know if I can explain it, but I'll try.
The physics of how a car reacts are so good, we felt even the feedback steering wheels made us try to rely on them for information we should be feeling and weren't getting. Too easy to forget you're playing a video game until things just don't *quite* match what you're trying to do. With the controller, you already have the level of distance to keep your subconscious aware of the limits of what you can do.
Does that make any sense? Almost every one of my racing buddies that plays the game also sticks to the controller. I don't know how to explain it other than the more you know about the real thing, the more glaring the shortcomings? If you have never taken your car around a real life track, you can live with the realism of a digital wheel, as the feedback IS there. But if you have, you can sense that the timing is just a *little* bit off of what it should be, and it throws you off more than someone who can't compare. I have never laughed so hard as the day I watched a friend of ours who had NEVER played the game before get his butt whooped on Laguna Seca because the cones he's used to looking for as markers weren't on the track. He drove well, but was expecting just the few things that weren't there. (he's spent several years racing in several road race circuits) He played again on a track that only exists digitally and just barely lost to the guy who owned the game, it's otherwise that good once you figure out the controls; real life talent shows well.
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Yes, makes perfect sense to me. Exactly the reason why I never got much into GT or Midnight Club or any of those types of games before... other than the Nascar Sims.
Ever try the Nascar games before? They are pretty realistic. I think Dale Jr. even made mention one time that the shift times around the tracks in the Nascar games were pretty much exact to the real thing.
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I think Dale Jr. even made mention one time that the shift times around the tracks in the Nascar games were pretty much exact to the real thing.
Actually, I've heard Dale Jr. say that he actually "pratices" with the video game because of their accuracy. 
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Mendoza's update:
Wow, the AI on the competitor cars is vastly increased. Much tougher to win the low level races. However, they have included somewhat of a cheat in the game. You can enter your car in a race in "director's mode" and have the computer drive it for you. Not every race turns out the same, with the identical setup you can easily finish anywhere from 1-3 or something comparable. To justify using this mode, imagine being the team owner and hiring a driver. It's a decent way to "farm" your credits to continue tinkering on your first car. Our virtual Miata now has stage 2 turbo, very nice.
And, the Super 7 shown in the opening clip is not under Lotus, but instead it's a Caterham Super 7, which you can see under "British makers: Caterham". Basically a super Super 7.  (uses a Honda Fireblade motorcycle engine, woot!)
Invited a friend over to play Friday night, they spent the evening going head to head. Fave race of the night, had all 3 of us nearly wetting ourselves with laughter: Mendoza drove the 1949 Volkswagen Beetle (24 hp), and Friend drove the 1960-something Honda 600 (30hp) on the Italian city circuit Citta di Aria. Very narrow, very gorgeous, and too tough of a hill for the Honda to get up. That's right, on the first lap, he had it floored and never made it. The VW had torque where the Honda didn't, and burbled up merrily at about 20 mph. On the 2nd lap for the Bug, he zoomed past as the friend kept trying to back up and drive better hoping driving more smoothly might enable him to maintain a little bit of oomph. Nope. Mendoza felt sorry for him and backed up and pushed him all the way up the hill so Friend could finish his first lap just before the race ended. It was Sooooooo funny! I can't imagine driving fast through that course, it was so narrow, but then, they may have done it after I went in to play EQ.
Yay for torque! (says the girl whose real life autocross car has 160 ft/lbs of torque at 1800 rpm, mmmmmmmm)
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Invited a friend over to play Friday night, they spent the evening going head to head. Fave race of the night, had all 3 of us nearly wetting ourselves with laughter: Mendoza drove the 1949 Volkswagen Beetle (24 hp), and Friend drove the 1960-something Honda 600 (30hp) on the Italian city circuit Citta di Aria. Very narrow, very gorgeous, and too tough of a hill for the Honda to get up. That's right, on the first lap, he had it floored and never made it. The VW had torque where the Honda didn't, and burbled up merrily at about 20 mph. On the 2nd lap for the Bug, he zoomed past as the friend kept trying to back up and drive better hoping driving more smoothly might enable him to maintain a little bit of oomph. Nope. Mendoza felt sorry for him and backed up and pushed him all the way up the hill so Friend could finish his first lap just before the race ended. It was Sooooooo funny! I can't imagine driving fast through that course, it was so narrow, but then, they may have done it after I went in to play EQ.
Yay for torque! (says the girl whose real life autocross car has 160 ft/lbs of torque at 1800 rpm, mmmmmmmm)
Ok, now that is hilarious!!! I'm going to have to go try the 30hp honda I won on that track. The Italian city track is difficult! It was in a few of the IB licenses, and the final test was a bear in the high power Lotus Esprit!!
Is that peak torque, Gnellie? All the way down at 1800? If not, what is peak, and @ what RPMs?
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Gran Turismo delivery truck. It is a Honda Life from the early 70s with a grand total of 30hp.
LOL, can u actually race with the delivery truck?
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LOL, can u actually race with the delivery truck?
You can... but you won't win.  The thing topped out at 63 mph.
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"He's gonna race the truck!" lol
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Heh, saw that Honda and at first glance I thought it was a Triumph Spitfire. What a hoot, giving away a Spitfire! Alas, no such luck.
And we haven't dynoed the car in a while, but yes, that's peak torque. Redline in the car is 6grand.
Triumph TR6's engines are beautiful 2.5 liter straight sixes with a hell of a lot of piston travel. You want acceleration, you have nothing but torque right away, and right as the torque is coming up, the HP begins to take over so it's very constant all the way up. I love a car with low end grunt! See, the car, while not actually built until 1969 was designed in the early-mid 50's with a tractor engine. That's right, a tractor engine. A lot of the things on the car were way ahead of its time, as long as you consider "its time" when it was designed.
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Introducing Myrelle, 20 Hum Bard, OotSK
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