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I picked up my copy of GT4 last night. Wow!! Talk about information overload. The Gran Turismo mode is laid out in a huge map separated into countries, test areas, race challenges, car tuning, and many more areas. I was able to buy a MINI Cooper S to begin my racing career, and started racing away. (I plan to get a Cooper S after my wife gets her [sign in to see URL] at least five years from now. I hope my Neon makes it. emoticon )

Fun stuff if you are a car/racing enthusiast. The sheer amount of countries available is staggering. I think every track which has been in a Gran Turismo game has been brought back, plus many more have been added. I raced a few of the starting races, and made some money, but not a lot yet. I went to the UK and raced in the MINI cups, and I received a lot of $$$ from those, but I still can't buy a Racing model yet.

I really don't see too much of a graphical improvement over GT3, but that was such a beautiful game already. I can definitely tell the difference in the feel of the game while driving. The cars feel more solid, and I can tell the difference in the physics engine. (previous GT versions had one traction coefficient for the cars, GT4 has individual traction factors for each tire) The car almost seems to bounce through the corners at high speeds as tires gain and loose traction. Very nice.

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If you have a GT3 save, make sure to load the data to transfer your A and B licenses and 100K credits.

The ASM and TCS systems are automatically enabled on each car at purchase (like GT3). To turn them off, you have to go into the car settings menu (so far I've only found this at the pre-race screen).

Try out photo mode!! I plan to have a new wallpaper at work every day! You can also go to each individual track and run through it solo and take pictures during the replay. I got a nice airborne pick of my MINI. emoticon

Race the Nurburgring! This track is insanely long and insanely technical!!! It like that the track has "patched" places where the pavement has been replaced with concrete.

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Sweeeeeeeeettttt!!!!

Looks like I know what I'm doing this afternoon. emoticon This puts a serious damper into finishing up the PoD access quest, LOL, we had to log off last night in Last Home, just before we started farming for zombie suit pieces.

Berkin, when you say all the old courses are back, that includes "Seattle?" I adore that street course, but I always get so confused driving it. It's VERY realistic with each building exact at the time the designers rendered it, (things were already different by the time the game came out, such is life) but I still get lost. Why? That area of south Downtown is riddled with train tracks that have been conveniently removed.... I spend so much time marveling that I crossed Western without bottoming out at double to triple the speed limit of the street (which is already well within undercarriage damage range) that I forget the hard left!

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Berkin, when you say all the old courses are back, that includes "Seattle?" I adore that street course, but I always get so confused driving it.



Yup! I rocketed my MINI up the hill jumping all the way!!! On GT3, there was a glitch in that track where you could get outside of the course area and drive around. Pretty fun stuff, because you could actually test the maximum speed of cars by just driving off into the distance forever.

I really like the New York course. One of the last corners is a sharp one right in the middle of Times Square.

Tonight, I plan to buy a good RWD sports car - probably either an S2000 or a Datsun 240Z if I can get it. The rest of my week is booked, but I hope to be back in Norrath on Friday for VC night, then resume Halfpint's journey on Saturday night. It's gonna be hard to split time since it is so limited. emoticon My wife was really, really nice last night, and went to visit her parents with our baby to give me a few hours alone to race. emoticon

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The rest of my week is booked, but I hope to be back in Norrath on Friday for VC night, then resume Halfpint's journey on Saturday night. It's gonna be hard to split time since it is so limited.



LOL... I called Fullpint Halfpint!!!!

Gnellie, have you and your husband been able to pick up GT4? I've read some postings from the forums at [sign in to see URL], and apparently, there are quite a few problems getting the US version to work over Xlink Kai. Plus, the garage cars are not available in network mode. emoticon

So far, my cars include: MINI Cooper S, R32 Skyline GTR, FC3S RX-7 (late 80s model), 1st Generation MR2, the Mazda 6 concept (prize car), some weird Toyota concept car (price car), and a crazy little European roadster from the early 70s (Gineva or something). This little car weighs just below 500 Kg (about 1200 lbs).

The Gineva came stock with about 90HP, but I tuned it up to 150, so it screams!!! I've also done a little bit of tuning on the Cooper S to bring it up to John Cooper Works tuning level (about 200HP with some minor suspension/weight reduction).



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I tell ya, all the new commercials coming out for this game are really making me want to go pick it up emoticon

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I tell ya, all the new commercials coming out for this game are really making me want to go pick it up emoticon



Prof, if you haven't played a Gran Turismo game before, be prepared for a lot of frustration when you first start playing. The game is very "touchy" when it comes to driving. It is very easy to completely lose control of the car and begin to slide around before spinning out. emoticon Once you understand the realistic driving physics of the game, you can really enjoy the beauty of both the graphics and driving the cars themselves. Make sure to start with a slow econobox first, because they won't be so easy to lose control. Most of the first races in the Gran Turismo mode cater to the slower cars.

There is also a license mode that you will need to pass before you can start playing the more difficult races. The techniques taught in the license tests can be loosely applied to real racing (driving lines, proper breaking, etc.). Let us know if you pick it up.

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Thanks for the tips emoticon

I've played the Nascar games on the PC with a steering wheel for a while now... they really have done a good job there with the realism over the years as well. Do you use the controller with GT4 or do you have the steering wheel for the PS2?

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Yes, we finally got the game yesterday, he played it for about a half hour before we switched to EQ to get out of debt from our initial foray into PoD the other night (long story there...)

His first reaction, after watching the intro all the way through was giggling glee, he's going to sell his soul in the game to get that Lotus Super 7. We're building a replica of that this year, from the ground up every piece hand selected and welded, and using a Suzuki R1 motorcycle engine for it. Gonna have something like 160HP in a 1100 lb car. Mmmmmmm. But that's another hijack of an already off topic thread. Back to GT4.

After playing, he says that the new game is much twitchier than he remembers, even harder to drive the cars with the standard controller. (We bought a steering wheel back for GT2 I think, and hated it, went back to the controller then.) It could be some rust on the player, but he says he's never hit a wall that hard on blowing a braking point before (and nice physics additions on the crash, BTW, he says).

For anyone who hasn't played the GT series, the joy of the game is building your own race cars, and souping them up. The devs have done amazing things with the physics of the game to have EACH AND EVERY car drive as close to real life as possible, plus EACH AND EVERY tuning tweak you do affects how the car drives. You learn very quickly that unless you're going round in circles or doing drag races that the brakes and suspension are usually more important than raw power. Add a turbo to a car that still has stock suspension on it and you will never make that hairpin in Seattle Road course, or Trial Mountain (I think that's the one). He's going to play a few hours on it tonight probably, while I hop on Gnellie to join the Qeynos Rave (or wherever they end up)

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Do you use the controller with GT4 or do you have the steering wheel for the PS2?



No, I don't have the steering wheel. When GT3 came out, a really nice force feedback wheel was release for $100. Too much for me. There is a really nice new steering wheel for GT4 that has 900 degrees of rotation (1 1/2 rotations from center both ways) to closely emulate the amount of turning necessary in a real car. This new wheel is $150. Still too much. emoticon

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After playing, he says that the new game is much twitchier than he remembers, even harder to drive the cars with the standard controller. (We bought a steering wheel back for GT2 I think, and hated it, went back to the controller then.) It could be some rust on the player, but he says he's never hit a wall that hard on blowing a braking point before (and nice physics additions on the crash, BTW, he says).



Gnellie, the brakes are very sensitive causing complete loss of steering under heavy braking (lockup). I am still getting used to this. If you can control the pressure on the button during braking, you can prevent this, but it is really hard when your instinct is to mash the button as hard as possible to stop. emoticon I have started braking very early for the corner, then releasing the brake and applying a little throttle pressure to power through the turn. I'd like to be able to apply subtle brake pressure and prevent locking the wheels, but that's not happening. I guess this can be alleviated by purchasing a brake controller, but the part is a lot of credits and would have to be purchased per car. emoticon

I've been completely disabling the traction control and stability management (Under Driving Aids in the car setup menu), but I might add back in a little of the TCS to keep the wheels from spinning too much. (That's no fun, though!!! emoticon)

Good luck on getting the Lotus!! I have no idea if you can buy it or unlock it. emoticon

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Yup, I could get all technical here and talk about the ramifications of a tire's traction circle (100% braking = 0% turning and vice versa) but it's hard to describe without a diagram.

That is indeed one of the drawbacks of driving with a PS2 controller is that a button is hard to modulate. emoticon Thus you get to learn very well what a car does when the brakes are locked up.

Oh, forgot to mention what Mendoza's driving. As usual, his first GT car is a Miata. Awesome cars, inexpensive and quick out of the box, and very easy to tweak into a monster.

Our real life "race" cars are a 1971 Triumph TR6 that has been "street prepared" per the SCCA Solo2 SP rules (much engine tweaking and a whole lot of suspension mods), but we still love our '94 Miata (header, exhaust, wide tires, and gnarly sway bars) Gonna have to find a place to host pictures of our autocrossing. (insert comments about egomania here)

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